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I've been budgeting for over 10 years now, and I loved YNAB classic, but this new thing is not going well. You Need A Budget (YNAB) is a budgeting app that helps users control their spending and plan ahead for bills, holidays, insurance and the unexpected. We budget the entire month at once since we are living on last month’s income. Annieland  Including the template capability is something I greatly value because a) the month turnover only requires a couple clicks, b) it yields a convenient reference of the nominal numbers, c) I also get a total, which I know better fit within my expected income, and d) doesn't nag me if I choose to WAM. In your example, if you’re going to make $5K next month, budget up to -$5000 in next month. I have rent and lot fees on the 1st and Electric on the 4th. Hi! dakinemaui I want to budget future checks in the future month. If you have all of this month's categories covered, and are just waiting for your money to come in, then you can budget the scheduled transactions for income money into a category called Income for Next Month. We handle these situations a little differently. By budgeting income you did not actually have, you basically had Monopoly money in your categories. 9/7/13 was the first day I used YNAB, so you’ll need to think about when you would’ve first downloaded the app and scroll down until you reach that date. Is this the way it is,  and if so what's the logic for removing this feature? This month, for the first time since using YNAB (almost a year), we had to borrow from next month's income to handle some car repairs. If you've filled your spending categories and there's money left in BIF/TBB, then budget the rest to INM. Secondly, I want reports to be accurate. The fluid or porous walls of the web YNAB budget just make me extremely nervous and make me feel like I can't trust my budget. Has anyone found a work-a-round? Within a master group called Buffer, each month of the year has its own sub-category. It takes all of 5 minutes at the most. I'm sorry if this is elsewhere, but if it is I can't find it. Budget money this month. As you build INM, just add more budget entries to the template to consume the additional money. jenmas No, the purchase is "there" - Apple support verified my purchase. I use ynab strictly to see what I’m spending where in real time and to make sure I stay within my monthly fixed income. I also have excess as a buffer and I like pre loading categories for next month. Truth be told, we need to increase that budget #. [...] YNAB4 would allow me to budget from this future income in August. For example, let's say of my $5000 monthly income I receive $3000 comes in on August 1st. I totally get you, because I've been trying to get "fully buffered" for the past 4 years (since YNAB4)  and get befuddled why I never seem to send an entire month's income to the next. The emoji are for my own amusement (12 hours = 12 months - rather pointless, but couldn't resist!). I'm going to have to spend some time with it and try it and see how it works for me. Some people use a net $0 split transaction which is also effective (and can be automated as long as your income is truly constant -- with interest, etc. I had YNAB Classic on my phone as recently as Jan 2017, but nothing is showing up under purchased except the new online version. You can still benefit greatly from using YNAB even before you are able to live on last month’s income. Maroon Clarinet You’re saying you put it in the scheduler AND you actually enter it into your accounts in next month? Another common use of "extra" money is a loss of income fund if you don't have one. That makes sense, the general idea of “this is how it’s done” works in the bigger picture, but I’ve been successfully managing my budget for years in my own way and I choose to continue doing that, so I don’t even include my savings in my ynab. Maroon Clarinet Again, it's trivial to inject Monopoly money into nYNAB if you wish. Switch to next month, then budget the money ahead. Those are funds, and yes, they would carry over to the next month. I was very frustrated with not being able to project a "month ahead" from the 1st even though I had not received all checks for that month. I've tried that in nYNAB but it was a pain for me to keep up on. In time, you won't consider any of this money "extra", as every penny has a purpose. nolesrule  It was one of the reasons I was hesitant to switch, but I find that without an app on my phone I make poor choices in the "dining out" and "grocery" categories. I personally like nYNAB's take on this over YNAB4. Janet You don't have to have a template. Then as funds come in, they’ll fill in your budget until To be Budgeted is back to 0 by the time the month arrives. One or more categories are not backed by spendable cash. It puts it into the TBB for the current month, and I budget it to the Income for Next Month category in the current month's budget. I should have said the type of template as you laid out where you store a "normal" month's budget in a future month. In YNAB 4 when you enter income you choose either “Income for [current month]” or “Income for [next month].” If you choose next month, that money moves over into the next month’s “available to budget” total. . I’ve talked about our budgeting history, about why we switched from Mint to YNAB (and how it is wonderful), and about how we budget to zero each month. I suppose it is safer to remove the feature for new users, because if you aren't careful you can get yourself into a pickle - but ultimately I think you should be able to make those decisions for yourself. , dakinemaui Is the Classic version still on iOS? I've had periods where I could in no way fill out the whole month on the 1st, but thankfully I'm not in one of those periods right now. If you choose to follow the official methodology of new YNAB, you must budget your income every time you receive it, whether that is once a month, twice a month, or 16 times in a month. 2) Both TBB and BIF should be $0 during most of the month. You can use the forward arrows to dive into next month’s budget and start funding categories, or you can set up a category in your budget called “Fund Next Month” with a goal set to the amount of your monthly expenses. Superbone Yes, after emptying the single INM category prior to budgeting the month, it's conveniently empty and ready to accept newly arriving income. I don't. I also don't want it to accidentally mix when WAMing during the month. Annieland In thinking about the partially buffered situation, I think doing the "catch & release" via budget entries is better until you're fully buffered. I see what you're saying. It would show your savings as 5000 less, but again, you’d know the difference. (*) One useful tip for working with the template is to negative-budget your expected income in INM and work toward Budgeted In Feb = $0. This week it is at 25 days and I am so happy!! though, mine isn't). If you're going to WAM (one-off adjustments), just ensure BIF/TBB = $0 before starting and after finishing. That amount is split into 3 transactions that occur on 8/1, 8/7, and 8/21. It isn’t exactly how the program is designed, but it works for me. Is there some way I haven't found to re-institute the designating a paycheck as to be budgeted next month, so I can just do it all at the beginning of the month? (I'm just a little too OCD to have them scattered about like that! Unsurprisingly, a workflow optimized for the fully buffered case isn't quite as optimized for the partial case. If you’re looking for an alternative to You Need a Budget (YNAB), you’re in the right place. YNAB is all about zero-based budgeting. Janet Also, YNAB4 still works fine on phones. These should probably be offsetting adjustments to keep the template total unchanged. Superbone No, I believe the OP wants to budget future checks in the *current* month. Maroon Clarinet There is zero difference in account balance with these two approaches: Reallocate "buffer" funds to August categories and then restore the buffer with checks as they arrive throughout Aug. Leave "buffer" funds alone and piecemeal add to Aug categories as you receive checks in Aug. My budget is fully buffered, and with the classic YNAB I used to just hit the "Income for next month" all the time, and then at the beginning of the month I would take all the income from August, and put it into September's categories. I would check to make sure the AppleID you used to download the app originally is the same one currently logged into the device you’re trying to find the app under. Janet What's complex? Rent, groceries, utilities, car payments - all the fixed costs that I have to pay. Question: once you budget for next month, if there’s money left over do you put it back into INM? With YNAB4 you could do that, now you can’t. If you need to make "permanent" adjustments as well, flip to next month and adjust the template numbers. No need to type in the numerical amounts of income when deferring. Superbone In my view, you're using scheduled transactions, any goals, and last month's numbers as the template. Essentially now, I lose that planning functionality. I said pretending to have. When I'm ready to budget all of next month in one sitting (after the receipt of my month-end salary deposit), I then revise the budgeted for this category to zero, releasing all funds back to TBB, click forward to next month, and budget the next month until TBB is zero. YNAB 4: Live On Last Month’s Income. ), Combination of Goals/Scheduled transactions/last month's numbers, Next month's area (which is really "last month's numbers" that have been copied before I screw them up by reallocating), I have the honor to be your obedient servant. I then set my budget up for next month - I'll be using Bday cash for the remainder of September. Additionally, the balance of INM is the remaining income you need/expect. bret I think I need to go learn about the template feature that I haven't used yet, and then what didn't make sense and therefore seemed "complex" will make perfect sense and no longer seem complex. You can still use the template if you like (and BIF as the surrogate TBB). The checks are dated August something and are budgeted in the August area. Move forward a month and ensure TBB = $0 (will be necessary if you've made progress, so yea!). Then at the beginning of the month, you can budget it all out. Differences from my YNAB4 workflow: 1) The release of funds is a manual operation. Find the “Just Right” Amount of Categories. Ignore the "template" stuff in the directions I wrote if you prefer to use Goals to implement a "template" capability (fill out the month with a few clicks). Paycheck #1. If budgeting a full month at a time is important to you, the reasonable choices are to stay with YNAB 4 or to do a workaround to create the effect of Income for Next Month in web based YNAB. I also enjoy the once over period where I put the "finishing" touches on my master plan for that month. You'll notice the Budgeted column contains the money you've budgeted in the current month. (If you are familiar with YNAB, you’ll know that when your Age of Money reaches 30 days, you have reached the goal of living on last month’s income.) This first check won't cover the whole month, and you begin to think you need a … How We Budget. Turns out the impact is minor. You are talking to people have been using YNAB for a very long time and have become proficient at best practices within the methodology , and explaining best practices (even when YNAB itself struggles with this). My budget is fully buffered, and with the classic YNAB I used to just hit the "Income for next month" all the time, and then at the beginning of the month I would take all the income from August, and put it into September's categories. What I can say is that after migrating to a month ahead philosophy it was a game changer. The web-based version now enforces this part of the methodology by preventing this type of future transaction. I budget my goals (vacations etc) out of that base income, and any income beyond that just goes into savings. I am going to receive $5,000 salary in August. It’s always a trade-off of how granular you want your … If you have variable income, there are different techniques to employ in order to manage above average and below average months to keep an even keel. Doing it this way creates the sense of stability I need. It's irritating that we have to do it, but "complex" is not a word I would use to describe the process. I remember YNAB4 when it was a software application you purchased. dakinemaui Quick question as I'm about to implement this approach. There's an easy way to manage projected income, but only if you were using Income for feature in YNAB 4 for all your paycheck income and also don't need to rely on non-paycheck income to fund your budget. You can use this cycle for any number of paychecks in a month. The first of the four YNAB rules is “Give every dollar a job.” Our budget tells us where we plan to spend our money. I mean, I think in reality its six to one and half dozen to the other. To enforce a sense of scarcity that encourages priority-based spending decisions. For those who are new here, the tool we use … I 100% do not want to steal from the future I want to plan for it. I know I’m getting paid in August. It’s an exhilarating feeling, really. :(. ... I’ve sent my $1,000.00 of income to my buffer in the next month. The drawback is the "Budgeted In " is skewed high during the month (because it also has next month's money until you delete that budget entry). Any extra goes in a savings category. When that month comes around you simply move the available amount back into the TBB for that month. In the end, the total of the template must not exceed your stable monthly income. These choices influence effort, reports, budget headers, and whether "stealing from the future" is possible. There are three types of goals in YNAB: Plan Your Spending, Build Your Savings, andCredit Card goals. Think of it this way: YNAB 4's "Income for Next Month" category is just like any other (user-managed) category with two small differences: You can recreate that same workflow with minimal effort -- less than a minute of extra clicking each month. I'm guessing it was something to do with some update at some point that changed the app enough that Apple considers it a "new" app and I never got the "new" version of Classic. A holding category, deferred income (however one says it) does not work in a similar manner to "Income next month". Today, I want to explain what we do at the end of the month to maximize our debt repayment. Falco Lombardi It seems overly complicated. The first is what I'm talking about doing. I'm trying to transition from YNAB4 and so far everything seems ok.  One possible deal breaker for me is the inability to enter future, known income into the register and allocate my budget categories for the following month based on that income. I understand it can be done but is frowned upon. You're going to need a category to temporarily hold next month's funds. dakinemaui I'm not pretending to spend money I don't have. They just want you to go ahead and fund categories next month once you get an inflow rather than putting it in a holding place until you're ready to budget for the next month. Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler -Albert Einstein. This would allow me to fully fund all the necessary categories I needed to and make adjustments to not-so-necessary categories so that I don't overspend. Short version: for some of us with bad timing of YNAB Classic usage and updates, it is NOT on our purchase history like it is for other folks. Deleting that budget entry in the current month is a good option in that case. As soon as you’ve received your last paycheck, you can release those funds and budget the entire month. Thanks for all that. Current spending plan to be available WITHOUT flipping back and forth between months. Releasing the money is a manual effort that takes 10 seconds once a month. Keep a template budget in next month's area for vastly reduced effort and easy reference/adjustment throughout the month. And you need to know what to do in your budget when it does!IMPORTANT! (You certainly can put it in with budget entries instead, but manually budgeting with every income arrival gets old quickly, so the automatic approach (via categorization) is easier and less error prone.). I just checked and had zero problem finding it in my list of purchased apps and downloading it to this iPad, even though I’ve never had Classic on this actual iPad. All are valid uses of this "extra" money. I kept the emergency fund alone and instead built up on the side. Having budgeted for 10+ years, no debt, and an extremely stable salary, my categories don't change all that much. It’s July. It's primarily a time saving device. However, YNAB has done "something" to the old app so that "YNAB Classic" is not available to everyone. Send money over to next month to sit until the 1st. If your buffer is listed in your accounts, couldn’t you pull 5000$ from your emergency fund and call it income for August, then as real money comes in, make it income for September? Getting Started in the New Month. This methodology is forcing me to tap into buffer funds that I have without realizing the impact to my total net worth that these spending decisions are going to make. I'm certain I can go and start learning about the templates and that your explanation of them will make perfect sense, it's just that I don't have that knowledge yet. I want to be able to see how that income is going to be distributed among my budget categories in August. what's the logic for removing this feature? My all-time favorite tool for budgeting is You Need a Budget (YNAB). It's the side effects that have led me to what I described earlier. Pay off debt, increase retirement contributions, accelerate timelines of some of your savings categories, start making taxable investments. We have been very happy (minus a few aspects though nothing is perfect) now and have not looked back. FWIW, you can use a partial template as you build the INM. Ultimately it will probably mean I won't migrate to nYNAB, but oh well. I also was coming in with plenty reserves and, what I percieved to be, a solid budget. Make sure that you delete this budget entry when Feb arrives; it's only used in the template. I've tried a variety of different methods with an open mind, often making myself live with process for a few months as I test them. To answer your question about "just emptying the INM category," no it doesn't substantially differ. Since you're only allowed to budget money that you have, you need to wait until you have it before you budget it. 2) Move forward to what will be the new template area (March), Quick-Budget the budget entries from "last month" i.e., the current template in Feb. 3) Go back to Feb and fix up the budget if necessary -- Make TBB == BIF == $0. From that $3k I populate all mandatory categories. Check out this article about Funds. Headers at the top of the month are accurate (e.g., "Budgeted in "). Thanks! The money received in Aug can then go toward categories in the Sept. area. If you want to budget with every income arrival and then delete the budget entry at the end of the month, that'll work as well. My income situation is solid, I have several months of "buffer" and have been using YNAB successfully for years. Firstly, I don't want to have to do anything when money arrives. I just started YNAB towards the end of the month, and I timed it to start with my latest paycheck (yesterday). This is why I personally prefer the Goals/Scheduled transactions/Last month's numbers Quick Budget method. If you need any paychecks that come in during a month to fund even part of that same month, then it won't work. That's exactly what's going on if you forget about the template stuff. That's prone to errors when there is newly arriving money sitting in TBB by the time you get around to releasing the funds.). With the old way YNAB worked I was able to PLAN for my expenditures based on that income and see it reflected in the budget immediately. I don't even have a special master category. You should figure out what you want to do with that money in your budget, because your income is greater than the needs of your budget. Any income you receive will be entered into the same account in YNAB that it was deposited to in real life. Just want to totally clarify as I implement this seemingly complicated yet probably totally simple workflow. Many of us fill an Income for Next Month category with all funds received this month. You Need a Budget!. Maybe I do the template thing without even meaning to, but I do like fiddling with my budget often, and keep making little plans and goals for myself with different categories. When the new month rolls around, you can “release” money from this category and assign it to be budgeted for next month. The real hangup I have is that while I have the financial ability to COVER those extra categories based on my buffer, YNAB provides no feedback as to the IMPACT those decisions will make. That is a pretty fair indicator of just how important my classic buffer is to me. Now that another month is over, I want to show you another aspect of how we budget. This budgeting software offers a lot of amazing features – it safely syncs to all of your bank accounts, updates in real-time so you can track and manage on the go (even from a cell phone), includes debt paydown and goal tracking tools, and offers some great reports and analytics on income and expenses. Follow YNAB to get support and lots of great ideas on budgeting. Basing spending decisions on inflated categories is most definitely not recommended in either version. I've advocated and put in a feature request for a template goal type that doesn't complain when you move funds around after the initial application like the current Monthly Goal does. Imagine it's early in your second month of budgeting and you just received the first of two checks for the month. It would be a simple matter to fund August with money received in July. With the new YNAB it's always been very tempting for me to just WAM from this month's income. (If you put it in via a budget action, pulling it out via a budget action also works. Some people want to move to next month's area and negative-budget to release the category. I just don't see the point of pretending otherwise. (Edit: consider zeroing out discretionary categories to add any remaining money in them to the INM funds.). I also would say that since moving to ynab we have found the "goals" to be very appealing and has allowed us to take our budget to the next level. I just use the Quick Budget underfunded and budgeted last month features and then make a quick once through and make adjustments. Superbone  Not sure I would call it complicated, but each to their own. Kroneg It’s not available to “everyone” but it should be available to you, if you’ve had it on an iOS device before. I remember when it transitions to a monthly service. Now, I can't do that. 2. When income arrives, use it to fill out as much of current month categories as possible. I'm struggling with how to get this to work in the online YNAB. If you have an Android device, there is some link floating around the forum that will allow you to load it. Life is good. Is the issue the stealing from the future thing, or the income prematurely being sent to the next month? Instead of being rendered inline (alongside your other categories) its hoisted to the top of the budget; YNAB helpfully empties out the category balance (into "Available to be Budgeted") at the start of each new month (so you don't have to do it manually. As it goes, I don't actually use this system (I have a system similar to your own), but thought I'd share in case somebody found it useful. ), Release the INM money by deleting the current month's budget entry. More simple to have one large TBB to allocate instead of income fundamentally split between this month and next month. Not being able to get this right is actually almost causing me to fall off the budgeting bandwagon. Reasonably, you can choose to have normal categories backed by cash in hand, which therefore mandates that part of your "buffer" isn't real. I’ve recently returned to ynab and I’m currently doing both ynab4 and new ynab, the free trial, to compare them so I think I get what you’re saying. When I followed this forum years ago I found that the advice offered wasn’t always flexible. I'm sorry if this is elsewhere, but if it is I can't find it. I do wish you the best of luck regardless of whichever path you decide to pursue. (Assume January is the current month. They removed this functionality basically to stop people from doing what you were doing. I actually don't have a template set up, and only one goal. So since I haven't used the template feature at all, I don't understand off the top of my head your directions for that. I want to budget future checks in the future month. So I'm fine with not doing a "one click budget." I have used the above solution for buffering. Schedule Future Income Transactions. No exceptions. So I want to use this chance to make sure I don't slide backwards, and I totally know how easily monthly monies can mix. I’ve been closely following YNAB as it’s evolved over the last few years. Automate the process as much as possible (e.g., favor memorized/scheduled transactions over budget entries). As far as the scatteredness of this method, I like how it all pieces together after a couple clicks. However, it's your foot. This is very detailed, I appreciate it. A template answers the question, "what are you going to do when you budget?". So it might not be a quick thing to get a month ahead, but if you stick with YNAB, and really commit to it, this can happen eventually. I came from MSMoney and this aspect really threw me as well. . To do the same thing with the new YNAB, simply date all three inflows for the 1st. YNAB's built-in Goals really only achieve (a) and maybe (c) if you do it right. I also want to make sure I’m not spending more of “July’s money” than the total monies will receive in August - hence why I plan August’s budget with August’s income despite the fact we are really spending July dollars. That is why I said "perceived". Simplifi by Quicken is our new top pick for the best budgeting app for most people. I never used YNAB 4 so am not familiar with this feature, but the work around is simply waiting. Kroneg Unfortunately that means you are out of luck. This is what the “purchased” list looks like. Maroon Clarinet I didn't say pretending to spend. It's one of the reasons I'm still using YNAB4. The YNAB method is based on working with the funds that you actually have right now, not the funds you are planning on receiving. When that month are merely trying to temporarily ynab income for next month and then make a Quick through... 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